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Why the northern nomadic groups are superior to Han Chinese

我把以下内容写到 Steve Hsu 的博客上了


Steve Hsu was/is so obsessed with g/IQ/brains/genius. Reminds me of how once this Romanian guy I talked with used the metaphor "big head."  Which reminds me of a particular example of "big head" that left me an impression.  Some actual video footage of that "big head". In it, there is even footage of Yu Min talking with that Peng Huanwu. 

Yu is from Hebei around Beijing/Tianjin. Interestingly, he looks very "Mongol." The more I learn about Chinese history, the lower my opinion of Han Chinese becomes. Han Chinese were later conquered by Jurchens (Jin dynasty conquered Northern Song), Mongols (Yuan dynasty conquered all of China), and Manchus (Qing dynasty also conquered all of China). Similarly the Northern Wei of North China from 4th-6th century was founded by Xianbei, another Mongolic (or Turkic) group. Many Northern Chinese, especially visibly Mongol looking ones, like Yu, are not actually really Han Chinese by their DNA. They are only Han Chinese in culture! 

Jurchens, Mongols, and Manchus after conquest often treated Han Chinese like slaves/castrated coolies. But there were Han Chinese who would defect and serve them. The Jin Dynasty of Jurchens had both the Jurchen and Chinese languages as official languages, but the Jurchen elites Sinicized over time. The Khitan (a major Mongolic or Turkic group that Jurchens conquered) also created their own mostly alphabetic writing system that strongly influenced the Jurchen script. In contrast, the Han, unlike the Khitan, Jurchens, and later Koreans, never developed any alphabetic writing system. On the other hand, the Han were so inhibited, culturally castrated, and domesticated by Confucianism. The Ming Dynasty didn't even master the use of firearms well, when by late 15th century, Europeans/Ottomans/etc had already invented the arquebus. The Han Chinese who were agricultural despite their much larger numbers could not compete with those northern nomadic tribes on the battlefield. Much of China's land today was incorporated during the Qing Dynasty. Like Northeast China, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan (partially, as Koxinga was Ming). Qing Dynasty territory even included parts of today's Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan (lost to Tsarist Russia 1860 or later), Russian Far East (lost to Russia in 1860), (Outer) Mongolia (de jure part of China until 1945-6 when Soviets required it become independent as part of the "reward" for Red Army "conquest" of Northeast East/North Korea). The Ming explorer whose fleet sailed to Somalia, Africa, Zheng He, was actually a Hui Muslim. Tang Poet Li Bai was also born in Kyrgyzstan, though I think he was actually descended from Han military men who conquered parts of Central Asia, as opposed to "Tatar."

The Mongols must have been really smart (and brave and physically strong and adventurous) if they managed to conquer so much. They lived in tents, roamed on horseback, hunted game in cold, harsh climates. The agricultural Han Chinese in the warmer land ended up becoming "easy prey" for them. The Mongols had fearless adventurous spirit, even landed naval units in Indonesia and Japan but failed in those conquest attempts. I wouldn't be surprised if once exposed to some culture and knowledge, they would run all over the Han Chinese there too.

I have imagined a hypothetical situation where Japan's rule over parts of China was longer. I don't think the way they treated Han Chinese was much different from how the Jurchens, Mongols, and Manchus treated Han Chinese. I believe if given the time, the Japanese conquerors in China would have Sinicized too, which means decline in knowledge of Japanese language over time. And then, because Japanese are also Mongoloid, they would often be seen as more "Chinese" than Japanese. 

Japanese were far more successful than the Han Chinese in modernization and learning and adopting the modern science, engineering, and industry from the West. The Republic of China was a catastrophic failure. I used to think that the late Qing Dynasty elites were garbage who impeded modernization, but now I often see the Han Chinese and their culture more to blame. For instance, the imperial examination system was not abolished until 1905-6. The Republic of China which prided in overthrowing the Manchu imperial family to restore "Han dignity" ended up creating essentially almost 40 years of anarchy and civil war in China. Late Qing Dynasty did some reforms to modernize after 1900 and though things were awful, it wasn't awful to the point of civil war. It was still possible to modernize more along traditionalist lines while keeping the emperor as the Japanese did. But those American educated and influenced Han Chinese behind the Xinhai Revolution turned things to complete shit. The ROC churned out a class of spineless white Western worshipping "Confucian" Han Chinese compradors to America.

Though China was a "victor nation" against Japan in 1945, Han Chinese from Zhejiang Chiang Kai-shek was forced to sign another unequal treaty with Russia where China relinquished any sovereignty over Mongolia. Much of China was still militarily controlled by Japan and Soviet Union at the time of surrender. That the communists won the war has much to do with how they during the Soviet Red Army occupation gained a significant foothold in Northeast China, by far the most advanced and industrialized part of China, and were handed over some or much of the Japanese weapons. The Chinese communists doing the actual fighting post 1945 were mostly Northern Chinese, and even among them a strong Northeastern Chinese component, which means a high Northern nomadic tribe component per DNA. The Chinese soldiers in the Korean War also had a very large Northeastern Chinese component.

The Southern Chinese descended much more from the original Han Chinese, especially in the coastal areas, have the advantage of access to the West. They are very into trade and commerce. Most of the rich people now in China are Southern Chinese. Also, most of the high up people in the Chinese nuclear and space program in the 60s were southern Chinese, often from Jiangsu and Zhejiang, who had studied in the West. Yu Min was an exception, a Northern Chinese devoid of experience abroad, not even in the Soviet Union. And the result was that he blew everyone away and vastly exceeded expectations.

So I don't think the Han Chinese are all that great or smart, not to mention some negative personality qualities that Chinese in America are often stereotyped for. And Chinese in America exhibit some of the worst qualities of Han Chinese. Spinelessness, timidity, conformism, emasculation, small-minded opportunism, cowardice, traitorous behavior. Given their background, it just doesn't seem like Han Chinese are really meant to rule. Neither are they really meant to independently come up with the more revolutionary "zero to one" results in science. The Japanese are almost certainly better at that than Chinese are. Even in the 17th century and early 18th century, there was Seki Takakazu who discovered independent of West of determinants and Bernoulli numbers, among other things, and created a "school of mathematics." In the modern era, Japanese created their own world class school of mathematics and science, which the Chinese never really did. The Japanese also don't end up with so many of their elites in STEM immigrating to America. They are more truly patriotic and collectivist than the Chinese are, and don't produce anywhere near as many traitors.

The Chinese ended up with Confucianism with over emphasized the "human relations aspect" at the neglect of science and technology and actual understanding of the world. There was Mo Tzu with a school of Mohism in the warring states era that actually did some thinking about logic, geometry, mechanics, optics, as well as being really skilled craftsmen, but they were marginalized over time. Gunpowder was invented mostly by Taoists, not Confucians. China could produce some individual mathematicians and (sort of) scientists, but could never actually create a durable school of mathematics or science. The Chinese had to be convinced by Jesuits like Matteo Ricci in the 16th and 17th centuries that the earth was round. By then, the Chinese were also copying (and improving upon) the cannons of the Portuguese and Dutch.

So some people in China, including myself, think that the Cultural Revolution was overall a positive thing. It uprooted much of the feudal Confucian culture deeply embedded in China for millennia. Some professor in STEM from Taiwan even commented that that feudal Confucian legacy combined with worship of elite Western institutions like Harvard, MIT, and Cambridge and the "authoritarian regime" turns modern day Chinese culture into a complete shit-wreck. I told him that the people in China he's interfaced with are from a political extremity, and that most Chinese in China are not that awful. Generally, the more (voluntary) exposure to America, the more awful Chinese are.

Chinese people due to the Confucian tradition still often blindly see "studying" as the path to success, wealth, and status. I saw this a lot among Taiwanese in America and found it atrocious. Actually doing real valuable studying and learning is of course good, but doing it in ridiculous ways at the expense of other more worldly things is extremely foolish and essentially mental castration. The Chinese in America tell their kids to study hard, get good grades, and get a good job, but they never tell their kids that Chinese in America are essentially ruled by whites, which limits how far they can go. To Chinese immigrants like Yukong Zhao protesting against discrimination against Asian college applicants, my attitude is "if you're so great, why aren't you in the ruling class? if you're so great, why don't you overthrow the US regime or create your own independent institutions? why are you still begging other people for acceptance, for meat on the last bone? why is it that your ever more powerful and prosperous ancestral homeland doesn't even want you?"

One of the implicit reasons why the Cultural Revolution happened and why the gaokao was cancelled was to diminish the influence of people like Yukong Zhao in Chinese culture, with fantasies of "testing" or "studying" one's way to the elite. People who refuse to accept that fundamentally, people become the "elite" from conquering or from being descended from conquerors. Yukong Zhao even expressed his aversion to the Mongols and his belief that Mongols wrecked Chinese civilization. Such an argument is about as ridiculous as the Chinese in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and America who complain about Chinese communists. People dispossessed who can only complain are mostly losers, simple as that. Of course, most people are very ordinary and mediocre and do the limited stuff they can do to make a living and have a normal life, and they are mostly content with that. I have no problem with them, can easily make friends with them, and for the most part find them very likable and also in many cases helpful. It's the petty striverish status seekers like Yukong Zhao lacking in common sense who are the most annoying and ridiculous.


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