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Traitor distant relative of Chiang Kai-Shek, Steve Hsu censoring my comments again

Shenzhen based WeGene also gave very accurate height prediction. It's certainly possible that China had figured out this problem before Genomic Prediction did, but did not publish. Another priority dispute lol. I was surprised to learn this year that China made world milestones in cloning technology in 60s and 70s, cloning carp, publishing in Chinese journals that were unknown to the West. The guy behind it Tong Dizhou got his PhD in Belgium.

A friend of mine had his DNA sequenced before and he says he also wants to do WeGene since WeGene has better prediction for East Asians.

And lol, it's now another case of Chinese in China vs Chinese in America + others, like International Math Olympiad.

infoproc.blogspot.com/2020/10/replications-of-height-genomic.html

A friend of mine who is more PRC nationalistic than I am was criticizing me for my interactions with him, mistakenly thinking that I actually have a high opinion of him. I told him I certainly have a rather low opinion of him politically. And that I talked with him for 4 hours at Beijing University last year. And that he said,

Don't you think if the KMT won the war, China's GDP would be higher than it is now?

Subconsciously realizing that directly rebutting this would make me look like on the defensive and not wanting to argue with an idiot on such a stupid question, I responded

I think that's too hypothetical of a scenario to consider.

He also said,

If I became a billionaire in China, I'd want to get out!

When I asked why, he replied

Because I'm afraid the government would take away my wealth.

That friend of mine found it utterly shameful that Steve Hsu would openly say stuff like that in China.

And ironically, I was blocked trying to transfer money out of America, yet we see all those PRC nouveau riche buying real estate in America with cash. The money was transferred out via illicit channels; the financial regulation agencies were loose on them before, but now, if they really want to, they could of course screw over those people in China.

Steve Hsu also thought that during the Korean War, the US led UN forces had air supremacy, based on recounts on veterans, also mentioning the lack of censorship in America compared to USSR (gulp). Former Red Army officer Andrei Martyanov would beg to differ on that. He mentioned that even reputable US sources recognize that the score between USSR and US air forces (excluding the Chinese and North Korean pilots) there was roughly 2 to 1 in favor of USSR. The information in the Wikipedia page below is evidence of this.

I remember in the documentary《为了和平》commemorating 70th anniversary of entry of People's Volunteer Army into Korean War that one Chinese pilot ace, they said that despite only about 1/20 of the number of training hours of his American counterpart managed to perform really well. Last year, I learned of the Commander of PLA Air Force Liu Yalou (刘亚楼), in particular that he was in USSR during the Great Patriotic War. Not surprisingly, there were interviews with a few Russians in that documentary as well.

China[edit]

Various sources claim that between six and nine Chinese pilots attained ace status during the course of the war.[7] A USAF report listed six Chinese pilots attained ace status during the Korean War.[21] Although all Chinese aces have received the title Combat Hero in acknowledgement of their services,[22] very little information is known of the Chinese pilots during the war due to the lack of published records.[23]

 This with the * indicates that the pilot was either killed in action or killed in a training event during the war.
 This indicates that certain historians have expressed doubt regarding the ace status of the pilot listed.

PhotoNameServiceVictoriesUnitAircraftNotes

Zhao BaotongPLAAF9[21]3rd Fighter Aviation Division[24]MiG 15First Chinese pilot to achieve ace status.[24] Also known as Chao Bao Tun.[23]

Wang HaiPLAAF9[21]3rd Fighter Aviation Division[25]MiG 15Although the USAF report listed Wang's nine victories, historian Zhang Xiaoming contended that only four victories were actual kills while other five were damages.[25] Also known as Van Hai.[21]Li HanPLAAF8[21]4th Fighter Aviation Division[26]MiG 15First Chinese pilot credited with shooting down a U.S. aircraft.[26]Lu MinPLAAF8[21]12th Fighter Aviation Division[27]MiG 15Later purged due to alleged connections with Marshal Lin Biao's coup attempt against Mao Zedong.[28]

Fan Wanzhang*PLAAF8[21]3rd Fighter Aviation Division[22]MiG 15Also known as Fan Van Chou.[23] Killed in action on August 8, 1952.[22]

Sun Shenglu*PLAAF6[21]3rd Fighter Aviation Division[29]MiG 15Killed in action on December 3, 1952 near the Ch'ongch'on River.[29]

Liu YudiPLAAF6[22]3rd Fighter Aviation Division[30]MiG 15Although Liu was credited with four victories during a single mission on November 23, 1951, USAF records indicated that only two F-84 were actually damaged with no aircraft lost.[31]

North Korea[edit]

There is some controversy as to whether any pilots of the North Korean People's Air Force attained ace status. Various sources claim there were either zero, two or four aces from North Korea.[7] Research by the USAF in 1999 concluded two North Korean pilots may have attained the status.[21] However, historian Michael J. Varhola subsequently contended that Chinese and Soviet records indicate it is unlikely any North Korean pilots attained enough victories for ace status.[23]

 This with the * indicates that the pilot was either killed in action or killed in a training event during the war.
 This indicates that certain historians have expressed doubt regarding the ace status of the pilot listed.

NameServiceVictoriesUnitAircraftNotesKam Den DekKPAF81st Air DivisionMiG 15Ace status disputed.[21]Kim Di SanKPAF61st Air DivisionMiG 15Ace status disputed.[21]

Soviet Union[edit]

Various sources claim between 43 and 60 pilots from the Soviet Union attained ace status in the war.[7] Most sources claim around 50 pilots attained ace status during the Korean War, of whom many are very controversial.[13] Research by the USAF named 52 pilots who may have had legitimate claim to the title. Little is known of some of the pilots and their combined tally is incompatible with the number of aircraft the USAF claims to have lost in the war.[7] Subsequent independent sources generally agree the number of aces claimed was around 52, but 15 names differ among the lists, particularly lower-scoring pilots. The number of victories for virtually all of the ace pilots is subject to dispute. Listed are names of 67 Soviet pilots attributed as aces in various sources. Of these, the ace status of 30 are in question among historians.[32]

 This with the * indicates that the pilot was either killed in action or killed in a training event during the war.
 This indicates that certain historians have expressed doubt regarding the ace status of the pilot listed.

NameRank[32]Victories[21][33]Unit[32]AircraftNotesNikolai SutyaginMajor2217th Fighter Air Regiment, 523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15The 'Ace of Aces' in the Korean War, with the highest number of kills for any pilot. Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union.[34]Yevgeny PepelyaevColonel19196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union.[35] Most Russian sources credit Pepelyaev with 19[36][37] shootdowns, thought many western sources indicate 20 to 23.[38] Of the issue, Pepelyaev claimed he was "absolutely sure" of only six of his victories, of which he had seen only two of the aircraft crash into the ground.[13]Lev ShchukinCaptain15+218th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[39][40]Alexander SmorchkovLieutenant colonel12-15523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[41]Dmitry OskinMajor14523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Number of victories is disputed, and may be 11.[21] Russian sources credit him with 16 solo and one shared victory.[42]Sergey KramarenkoCaptain13-16176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union. Scored between an estimated 3 shootdowns in World War II. Russian sources credit him with 16 shootdowns in the Korean War.[43] He was the last living Soviet flying ace of the Korean War.Mikhail PonomaryevMajor10-1417th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Number of victories is disputed, and may be 11.[21]Russian sources credit 10 shootdowns.[44]Konstantin SheberstovMajor12-13176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Number of victories is disputed. In 1951, he made a false claim on one of Yevgeny Pepelyaev's victories and was exposed, disgracing Sheberstov.[35]Stepan BakhayevMajor11-12523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Russian sources credit him with 12 shootdowns.[45]Ivan SuchkovCaptain10-12176th Guards Fighter RegimentMiG 15Number of victories is disputed and may be 10.[21][46]Grigory OkhayCaptain11523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[47]Dmitry SamoilovSenior lieutenant10-11523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Russian sources credit him with 11 shootdowns.[48]Pyotr MilaushkinCaptain10176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[49]Grigory PulovLieutenant colonel8-1017th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Number is disputed, and may be 8.[21] Russian sources credit 9 shootdowns.[50]Nikolai DokashenkoCaptain917th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[51]Mikhail MikhinCaptain9518th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union.[19]Serafim SubbotinMajor9176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union. Some sources claim Subbotin had up to 15 victories, though most sources indicate a tally of 9[35] or ten.[52]Vladimir ZabelinMajor9256th Fighter Air Regiment and 821st Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[53]Grigory GesCaptain8176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Some sources claim Ges may have had up to 10 victories, though most sources agree on 8.[54][55]Vladimir AlfeevCaptain7196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources.[56]Pavel AntonovMajor718th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56]Nikolai Baboninunknown718th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Semyon FedoretsMajor7913th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[57]Lev IvanovCaptain7196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Aleksandr KarasyovLieutenant colonel7523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[32][58]Aleksey MitusovLieutenant colonel7196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56]Vasily ShulevCaptain717th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56]Nikolai VolkovCaptain717th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56][59]Ivan ZaplavnevCaptain7196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Stepan ArtemchenkoMajor617th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56] Also claimed 6 kills in World War II.[60]Arkady BoitsovMajor616th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union.[19][61]Boris BokachCaptain6196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Vladimir Khvostontsevunknown6unknownMiG 15Listed by the USAF report as an ace.[21] Other sources credit him with three kills.Nikolai Ivanovunknown6726th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Aleksey KalyuzhnyMajor6Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56]Anatoly Nikolayevunknown617th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Pavel Nikulinunknown6176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report as an ace.[21] Other sources credit him with one kill.Fyodor Shebanov*Senior lieutenant6196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Killed in action 29 October 1951.[62][63]Sergey VishnyakovColonel6176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[64]Nikolai ZameskinMajor6878th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Boris AbakumovCaptain5196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Anatoly BashmanMajor5148th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[65]Vasily Belousovunknown5324th Fighter Air Division (IAD), 303rd Fighter Air Division (IAD)MiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Grigory BerelidzeCaptain5224th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Georgy Bogdanovunknown5unknownMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Sergey BychkovCaptain517th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not the US Air Force.[56]Nikolai Gerasimenkounknown518th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Sergey Danilovunknown5unknownMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Grigory DmitryukMajor5-6821st Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Russian sources credit him with six kills.[66]Nikolai GoncharovCaptain5196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56][67]Anatoly KarelinMajor5351st Fighter Air Regiment, 303rd Fighter Air Division (IAD)MiG 15Awarded Hero of the Soviet Union.[19]Viktor KolyadinLieutenant colonel528th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[32][68]Nikolai KorniyenkoCaptain518th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Aleksandr Kochegarovunknown5196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Vasily Lepikovunknown5415th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]Viktor MuravyovCaptain5196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56]Stepan NaumenkoCaptain529th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15First Soviet ace in the war, scoring his fifth kill on 24 December 1950.[32][69]Boris Obraztsov*unknown4-5176th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Killed in action. Listed by the USAF report as ace, but Russian sources credit him with only four shootdowns.Afanasy OlenitsaMajor5821st Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15[70]Viktor PopovCaptain5523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56][71]Aleksey Prudnikovunknown5821st Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not independent sources.[21]German Shatalov*Senior lieutenant5523rd Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Killed in action 28 November 1951. Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[32][72]Boris SiskovCaptain5224th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Final soviet ace of the war, scoring his fifth victory on July 20, 1953.[56]Nikolai ShelamanovCaptain5196th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Vasily StepanovSenior lieutenant518th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by independent sources but not the USAF report.[56]Nikolai Shkodinunknown5147th Guards Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15The USAF report found Shkodin had been credited with 5 victories but could only confirm three of them. Independent sources do not list Shkodin on lists of aces.[21]Yevgeny PomazCaptain2-11494th Fighter Air RegimentMiG 15Listed by the USAF report but not considered ace by Russian sources, which indicate only 2 shootdowns.[21][73]
United States[edit]

Of 40 United States military servicemen who attained ace status in Korea, all but one of them flew primarily the F-86 Sabre during their air-to-air fights. Early in the war against the older North Korean People's Air Force aircraft, US pilots flew a variety of aircraft including the F-51 Mustang, F-80 Shooting Star and F-82 Twin Mustang. However, with the introduction of the MiG-15 when the People's Liberation Army Air Force entered the war, only the Sabre fighter could match the Soviet-built fighters in single combat.[74]

Similarly to the Chinese and Soviet aces, the kill totals of many American pilots are disputed. Their combined tally is incompatible with recorded losses by communist forces, and data-matching with Soviet records shows that many of the aces' claimed kills were erroneous. In some cases, American pilots over-claimed by 400 per cent after air combat.[75]

The pilots who attained ace status in the war scored a disproportionate number of kills in the war. Of 1,000 fighter pilots who served in the war, only 355 were credited with aerial victories. A total of 756.5 victories were credited for aircraft shot down by the UN, with the 40 aces shooting down a total of 310.5 aircraft, or 40 percent of the total. The top five aces are credited with a combined ten percent of the UN aircraft victories of the war.[76] In addition to the 40 pilots who attained ace status in the Korean War, another 17 US pilots who had been aces in World War II claimed additional kills in the Korean War. Two Canadian World War II aces, J. Lindsay and John McKay, also garnered additional kills in the war.[21]

 This with the * indicates that the pilot was either killed in action or killed in a training event during the war.

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